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The Aspen Leading Edge Podcast

with Host Patty Roberts

The Aspen Leading Edge Podcast

The Aspen Leading Edge Podcast features timely interviews with Aspen Authors as well as other legal thought-leaders sharing expert opinions on teaching, learning science, and the current and future state of legal education.

About the Host

Patty Roberts, Dean of St. Mary's University School of Law, will discuss current challenges and innovations in legal education, and predictions for its future, in conversations with various leaders in legal education.

Roberts became the tenth dean of St. Mary’s School of Law on June 1, 2020. A legal educator for two decades, much of her career has been spent in clinical teaching, supervising law students in providing assistance to underserved members of the community.

Patricia Roberts - Host of the Aspen Leading Edge Podcast

Episode 20: What is PracticePerfect? with Julie Steiner

Julie Steiner

05.23.23 Julie Steiner, Western New England Law, talks about the progression of incorporating digital learning in the classroom and the benefits of using digital tools to teach. She also tells the origin story of PracticePerfect Torts, how she uses it in her classroom, and what results she has seen from using the tool.

Digital Learning Advisory Panel

Episode 19: Dispute Digital System Designs with Amy Schmitz and Janet Martinez

Schmitz and Martinez

05.16.23 Amy Schmitz, Ohio State University and Janet Martinez, Stanford University talk about multiple projects including their future book together, Divided Community Project, and Schmitz’s casebooks Resolving Disputes: Theory, Practice and Law and Arbitration: Practice, Policy and Law. They also discuss in depth the impact of technology on conflict and how it can be used to resolve disputes.

Arbitration: Practice, Policy, and Law
Resolving Disputes: Theory, Practice, and Law, Fourth Edition
Divided Community Project
Dispute System Design
Arbitration Conversations

Episode 18: Adapting to A.I. with Lawrence Friedman

Lawrence Friedman

05.09.23 Lawrence Friedman, Professor at New England Law, gives his perspective on how lawyers and law schools are adapting and changing to the new digital world, including what challenges may arise when including A.I. in the classroom. Lawrence also talks about the process of writing the third edition of his casebook, Modern Constitutional Law: Cases, Problems and Practice, and what makes the casebook different from other constitutional law books.

Episode 17: The Partner Track with Helen Wan

Helen Wan

05.02.23 Author, speaker, lawyer, and DEI consultant Helen Wan shares the story of how she wrote her book, The Partner Track which is now a Netflix series. Helen also speaks about her personal experience as a law student and working at a law firm in New York. Helen and Patty Roberts also share their advice on what they wish someone told them while in law school.

Episode 16: Professional Identity with Grossman and Zacks

Grossman and Zacks

04.25.23 Nadelle Grossman and Eric Zacks discuss the updates in the second edition of Contracts in Context: From Transaction to Litigation including the importance of professional identity. They share how vital it is to include real life experiences in the classroom and how it has benefited students not only for the rest of their law school career, but also their day-to-day life.

Episode 15: The Feminist Judgement Project with Stanchi and Crawford

Stanchi and Crawford

04.18.23 Kathy Stanchi and Bridget Crawford discuss the U.S. Feminist Judgements Project and their book, Feminist Judgments: Rewritten Opinions of the United States Supreme Court. Now a subject-based series, they share how the volumes are used in classrooms both as primary and secondary sources. Kathy Stanchi also speaks with Patty Roberts about the ninth edition of the Legal Reasoning and Legal Writing coursebook and what ChatGPT might mean for Legal Writing courses.

Episode 14: Civil Rights Litigation with Scott Michelman

Jordana Confino

04.11.23 Legal Director of the ACLU in D.C. and Shikes Fellow on Civil Liberties and Civil Rights and Lecturer on Law at Harvard Law School, Scott Michelman talks about his experience at the ACLU from his start as an intern to what he is currently working on. He speaks on the story behind his casebook, Civil Rights Enforcement, as well as what has been added to the second edition.

Episode 13: Positive Lawyering with Jordana Confino

Jordana Confino

04.04.23 Jordana Confino, Assistant Dean of Professionalism, teaches Peer Mentoring and Leadership, and Positive Lawyering at Fordham University. In our latest podcast, Jordana shares the importance of positive psychology with examples of discussions she has had with her students to demonstrate how important it is for law students and lawyers to implement it into their daily lives.

Jordana's Website
Values Discovery Guide
Fordham Law Office of Professionalism

Episode 12: Teaching Constitutional Law with Barnett and Blackman

Barnett and Blackman

03.28.23 The authors of Constitutional Law, Second Edition and An Introduction to Constitutional Law: 100 Supreme Court Cases Everyone Should Know, Randy E. Barnett and Josh Blackman discuss the multiple ways they have made teaching Constitutional Law approachable including their extensive scripted video series. Josh also shares the story of how he started Fantasy SCOTUS – the supreme court fantasy league.

Episode 11: Teaching Generation Z with Spratt and Templin

Spratt and Templin

03.21.23 Professors Ben Templin and David H. Spratt discuss the strengths and challenges for Millennial and Gen Z law students. To address the changing profile, Professors Spratt and Templin also share how they incorporate contemporary learning theory into the third edition of their book, Contracts: A Modern Coursebook.

Episode 10: Property Law and Social Identity with Murray and Cuison-Villazor

Murray and Cuison-Villazor

03.14.23 Kali Murray and Rose Cuison-Villazor talk about the second edition of their book Integrating Spaces: Property Law and Race and how property law and ownership relates to social identity. They provide examples of how they expanded and sharpened the thematic materials of the first edition, including a historical analysis of immigration and property ownership as well as a more detailed chapter on reparations.

Episode 9: Learning by Watching with Berger and Clark

Berger and Clark

03.07.23 Marilyn Berger and Ronald Clark talk about Pretrial Advocacy: Planning, Analysis, and Strategy, 6th Edition, Trial Advocacy: Planning, Analysis, and Strategy, 5th Edition, and the new videos that correspond with both coursebooks on Casebook Connect. Marilyn Berger also touches on the Films for Justice Institute, how she became interested in creating documentaries, and the applications for visual learning.

Episode 8: Class Action and Litigation Financing with Yeazell, Schwartz, and Carroll

Yeazell, Schwartz, and Carroll

02.28.23 The authors of Civil Procedure 11th Edition, Stephen Yeazell, Joanna Schwartz, and Maureen Carroll come together to discuss how they joined the author team, what is new in the most recent edition, and updates on Class Action and Litigation Financing. Joanna also speaks on her new book, Shielded: How the Police Became Untouchable.

Episode 7: First-year Trial Practicum Program with Steve Foritano

Patricia Salkin

02.21.23 Steve Foritano, Director of the First year Trial Practicum Program at Drake University discusses the details of the program which has been recognized as one of Bloomberg Law’s Law School Innovation Program finalists. He shares stories of not only student experiences but also his own as a Practitioner during one of these trials.

Episode 6: Transitioning into University Provosts and Presidents with Patricia E. Salkin

Patricia Salkin

02.14.23 Provost, Graduate and Professional Division of Touro Law, Patricia E. Salkin sits with Patty Roberts to discuss her book, May It Please the Campus (Lawyers Leading Higher Education), and gives a preview of the themes and trends related to lawyers becoming Provosts and Presidents of universities. She also provides some helpful advice about transitioning into higher roles and uses her own experiences as examples.

Blog | Book

Episode 5: The Future of Legal Technology with Gabe Teninbaum

Gabe Teninbaum

02.07.23 In episode 5, Gabe Teninbaum provides an overview of the Legal Innovation and Technology concentration at Suffolk Law School and how it prepares students for their future careers. He also references his book, Productizing Legal Work: Providing Legal Expertise at Scale and shares how it will guide law students and graduates looking to enter the legal technology space. Gabe and Patty also dive into ChatGPT and what it could mean for the future of legal education.

Episode 4: Meeting the Bar Pass Standard with Colin Crawford


01.31.23 Colin Crawford, Dean and Professor at Golden State Law, shares his journey to becoming Dean and how he is navigating the new bar pass standard. Colin and Patty also discuss Golden Gate University's new Presidential Scholarships and how they will help students financially.

Episode 3: Corporations and Climate Change with Alan Palmiter


01.24.23 Alan Palmiter discusses his new book Sustainable Corporations and touches upon the future relationship between corporations and climate change, and the role shareholders have. There is also a conversation on the importance of personal integrity, collaboration, and trust within corporations.

Episode 2: The Dobbs Decision and Constitutional Law with Geoffrey Stone, Leah Litman, and Aziz Huq

Huq, Litman, Stone

01.17.23 Geoffrey Stone, University of Chicago, Leah Litman, University of Michigan, and Aziz Huq, University of Chicago are co-authors of the upcoming Ninth Edition of their Constitutional Law casebook with Aspen Publishing. In this episode, they discuss the important coverage in their new edition, including the Dobbs decision, and Religion Clause. They also give their opinion on the leak of the Supreme Court’s draft about overruling Roe vs. Wade and what it means.

Episode 1: Free Speech in Our Law Schools with Erwin Chemerinsky

Erwin Chemerinsky

12.31.22 Erwin Chemerinsky, Dean of Berkeley Law, and outgoing president of the Association of American Law Schools, talks about how he encourages free speech and inclusivity in his classroom, looks ahead to the 2023 AALS Conference, and reflects on his time as president.